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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'm just wondering where the perfect festival is Pete. Every year, every festival has it's problems. I remember the toilet problem a few years ago. This problem was addressed through feedback and has improved considerably.

It is only through experiencing the problem and reacting to it, that a solution can be found.


I understand that, but I seem to remember exactly the same concerns about campsite security last year, but these problems do not appear to have been addressed at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The bigger any festival gets, the more drunken rich teenagers thinking their the dogs [expletive removed] they seem to attract. This seems to have got a lot worse in the last five years or so. I'm thinking of going to Glastonbury next year for the first time in a about a decade but am seriously put off by the sea of kids which it looks like are their on the TV coverage.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Gambo, I acknowledge your fighting spirit and loyalty to the cause. It's admirable!...and yes, for the comment of someone who was actually there rather than the fairweather fan. Good luck to you. But perhaps my comments following on from those that did attend are harboured by the fact that year on year I personally have become so disappointed by this festival - being one I attended regularly in the early millenium years. Some years being difficult to attend for child care reasons etc...but all the same, I have followed it when couldn't attend. I guess my additional comments may seem shallow given my non attendance but I suppose I am just picking up and those that were there and have had the courage to voice their opinion on what seems to be some glaring problems at GuilFest this year and recent years. So, yeah, if you and others had a jolly good time - well all well and good, but these people and others who have voiced their disappointment this year, will not be ignored and rolled over by those that have rose tinted, drunken (perhaps?) spectacles, who choose to (with respect, quite rightly) defend their festival. But let's please remember that there are questions that need to be addressed and action taken to remove the problems that have existed in the festival site for the past few years.
Yes I wasn't there so you may argue that I have no reason or justification to make comment - but then some may argue that those who thought the festival was brilliant and the best ever and encountered no problems perhaps shouldn't dismiss those who were there who had a sh%te time! I think there are always 2 sides to every story. Dont you? I suppose I am angered somewhat by the fact that we have seen these critical comments (and by very forgiving and passive campers) for more than 4 or 5 years now - and this year being almost certainly the worst. So, therein, let's not dismiss the good times but also let's not dismiss the grief that some have gone through. Let Justin and his crue review, take on board and address the problems and make things better for 2011. As for addressing those that have endured problems this year - well I envisage GuilFest may reply to each of you and maybe offer some form of recompence? If I was an organiser, I certainly would be attempting to address and appease those who have suffered...but that's just my view - having been several times when IMHO it was actually friendly.


This is my last post on this subject because frankley I'm a little [expletive removed] off with the fair weather fans comments !!!
I've been attatending the festival since the early days of when it was just a day event, so have been camping since it's conception.
We didn't have the luxury of child care so my children have been coming since birth........
Hence my first post on this thread was to voice my concerns and the highlight issues that I and my friends had encountered, these I backed up with emails and letters to the organisers.


gambo69 wrote:
Hi All
Seeing that my friends and family were at the epi centre of the troubles(at around 4.15am), I'm not going to comment on what it was that happened, (as emails and letters are being sent),
All I will say is that I'm glad the stewards got hold of the little scrouts before I did...... Mad Evil or Very Mad

As I have already said an email has been sent to the powers that be in the hope that they will do something to improve on what was the worst behavior I've seen @ GuilFest in the 13+years I've been attending.

These are some of the issues that I have highlighted and asked to be addressed in the letter and emails.....
There was not enough lighting in campsite 1, this ment that the kids felt they could run amoc without being seen or caught.
The food stall although very handy @ times should not have been allowed to stay open all night, so as to not be a focus point for all those insomniacs, who all seem to know this [expletive removed] guy Alan??
Alcohol and Minors the only way to stop it ??, Ban it all from the festival except that sold from vendors on site........ I know that means it affects the likes of us So called responsible aldults Confused
But if you want to stop it that BAN IT form being brought on to site Period.



Bracknell pete wrote:
So, yeah, if you and others had a jolly good time - well all well and good, but these people and others who have voiced their disappointment this year, will not be ignored and rolled over by those that have rose tinted, drunken (perhaps?) spectacles, who choose to (with respect, quite rightly) defend their festival.


My glasses were NOT rose tinted,
Being kept awake and having to look after scared children meant it was NO SLEEP FOR TWO NIGHTS
So they had to be dark glasses [expletive removed] !!
As for Defending the festival?? Not sure I am,
What I want to do is protect it from not happening at all !!
Hence the time I've taken to write to the organisers to highlight the issues we encountered.
Anyway that's it on the subject
Over and [expletive removed] out !!!!!


thanks for the final reply Gambo. Just to pick up on one point of clarification, and I feel it's required. When I mentioned 'child care' reasons, those child care people were myself and partner and not some rich privileged situation of getting others to look after the kids. And quite frankly, I wouldn't have been considering taking my tiny tots and babies to the festival just to suit my desire to attend the festival come rain or shine!
and less with the swearing please! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alfie Reefer wrote:
I'm just wondering where the perfect festival is Pete. Every year, every festival has it's problems. I remember the toilet problem a few years ago. This problem was addressed through feedback and has improved considerably.

It is only through experiencing the problem and reacting to it, that a solution can be found.

The silliest thing is, seeing as you didn't even contribute to the festival this year, why bother to listen to you at all. I could go on the Download site and pick up on the problems they may have had this year, and then stir things up. But quite frankly, I've got better things to do.


'contribute to the festival'? You mean in terms of paying for a ticket to get in this year? Well indeed not. It wasn't from want of trying to see what the line up was and pre booking holiday dates months in advance to come. Why would I waste my time being on this forum regularly then 6 months or more in advance of the festival itself? The line up was poor IMO and not worth me parting with my money this year. Having said that, I have attended over several years and so why shouldn't I take a vested interest in a festival I look forward to coming to every year? - only to find on many years that it's not what I fancy, in terms of line up. The problems I encountered camping in the past - the toilets and to a lesser extend the trouble all mean that I have a fair point to make - especially when considering to come to the festival in the future. And also because the problems we have seen in recent years have been aired by many but don't seem to have been properly addressed - and in fact seem to have got worse. If you want to call all this stirring then that's your opinion I guess but I think anyone who has attended over the years has a vested interested and can make a valid point about which direction they wish to see the festival going. 2001, 2003, 2004, 2009 and I think another year I attended - and I am keen to see the problems addressed and the festival become more family friendly again - as I feel it was in the earlier visits I had there.
Good luck anyway to the organisers!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm this thread is starting to wander a tad into a big swinging d**k competition - It was started to stimulate discussion about events in the camping area and bring to GuilFest's attention the level of dissatisfaction with the security the festival offers it’s paying guests and customers. Generally we seem to have establish there was genuine fear and concern amongst campers over the behaviour of a very young element within the camping area – some of these ‘young people’ had paid (or their parents had paid) to be there,( btw If it isn’t legal for parents to beggar off to Spain leaving their sprogs behind why can they do similar at GuilFest?) Many others seem to have got over/through/under the fence others – using discarded bands or had access to freebie bands to gain entry. This despicable bunch of louts caused damage, stole and [expletive removed] people off to the point that several long standing supporters of the festival have vowed not to return. We have had a terse acknowledgement from the organisation (Justin et al) that they will take action and to back off whilst they sort it out – time will tell. The local press is so far up the festival that the wider public will never know how far removed this event has become from its roots. By now GuilFest must be worth £0000000000000000000000 to the paper and the local economy in terms of advertising, spend etc
Bugger what a sham & what a shame, so Tony carry on getting off your tits and having a good time at our discomfort (see you tube for the vid!) Till the next time folks – that all.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
On the subject of wrist bands, two we caught had black wristbands on, just plain black, which they told us 'allowed' them entry to the campsite as they weren't checked properly when coming in with a crowd. I did think it a bit strange this year with the black weekend bands, which, as we found, could be quite easily 'made' to allow people in. So not just a case of children getting free wristbands, also the ease of 'bluffing' their way in to the campsite.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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On the subject of wrist bands, two we caught had black wristbands on, just plain black, which they told us 'allowed' them entry to the campsite as they weren't checked properly when coming in with a crowd. I did think it a bit strange this year with the black weekend bands, which, as we found, could be quite easily 'made' to allow people in. So not just a case of children getting free wristbands, also the ease of 'bluffing' their way in to the campsite.


The wrist band system was useless. There we're about four different bands alone to allow access to campsites (& that's not including day ticket wristbands).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Justin wrote:
Hi there,

Thank you all for taking the time to give us feedback on some of the issues you report from the camp site.

At GuilFest we do want your experiences to be as good as possible, and we are formulating some plans for next year based upon feedback and experiences from the weekend.

Again thanks for your input which will help make an even better festival next year.

Regards

Justin


Justin wrote a few days ago and said that GuilFest thanked us for our input - well this thread and Camping Hell along with some others have continued to discuss the crap that went on in the camping field. Online in the Surrey Advertiser Tony Scott was quoted as saying that all complaints would be looked into etc.
Well has anybody been contacted by GuilFest? - all of the people who have shared their stories of what happend - have you had a pm from anybody within the organisation? or are Justin's platitudes just an attempt to shut down discussion - seen to be doing something whilst doing next to nothing and waiting for these threads to die out?
Well Justin just how is it going? what lessons has GuilFest learnt - when is GuilFest going to apologise to its long suffering paying customers in the camping fields? We're waiting.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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oddcouple wrote:
On the subject of wrist bands, two we caught had black wristbands on, just plain black, which they told us 'allowed' them entry to the campsite as they weren't checked properly when coming in with a crowd. I did think it a bit strange this year with the black weekend bands, which, as we found, could be quite easily 'made' to allow people in. So not just a case of children getting free wristbands, also the ease of 'bluffing' their way in to the campsite.


The wrist band system was useless. There we're about four different bands alone to allow access to campsites (& that's not including day ticket wristbands).


There were two wristbands that allowed access to the campsite.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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zerocouch wrote:
oddcouple wrote:
On the subject of wrist bands, two we caught had black wristbands on, just plain black, which they told us 'allowed' them entry to the campsite as they weren't checked properly when coming in with a crowd. I did think it a bit strange this year with the black weekend bands, which, as we found, could be quite easily 'made' to allow people in. So not just a case of children getting free wristbands, also the ease of 'bluffing' their way in to the campsite.


The wrist band system was useless. There we're about four different bands alone to allow access to campsites (& that's not including day ticket wristbands).


There were two wristbands that allowed access to the campsite.


Wrong. As i remember...

-black wristband weekend standard
-red VIP wristband
-plus extra crappy purple/mauve/light blue (depending on how much sun or water it had been exposed to) paper wristband
-stewards wristbands
& not including traders wristbands & people with only day ticket wristbands & had VIP bands as well.

Most people with VIP wristbands had no idea they were supposed to have a purple camping wrist band as well or had been neglected to be given one.

Plus the fiasco of not even having any wristbands to give anyone when the campsite first opened (late).

All paper wristbands were easily cut & Sellotaped back onto another persons wrist (I saw this being done many times just outside the arena) whilst fabric wristbands were secured with a bit of plastic that could easily be broken & moved to another persons wristband (again seen being done)... why not a simply a wristband for camping (the same for everyone) & then another extra for VIP! Or why even have VIP at all as I saw no benefits of having this wristband.

This is some really poor organisation that can easily be sorted.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: Be Afraid - be very afraid Reply with quote
Rebalancing the Licensing Act - a consultation on empowering individuals, families and local communities to shape and determine local licensing

This consultation asks for your opinions on government plans to overhaul the current licensing regime, in order to give more power to local authorities and police. This will help them deal with alcohol-related crime and disorder, while also promoting responsible business.

The proposals include:

* overhauling the Licensing Act to give local authorities and the police much stronger powers to remove licences from, or refuse to grant licences to premises that are causing problems
* allowing councils and the police to permanently shut down any shop or bar that is repeatedly selling alcohol to children
* doubling the maximum fine for those caught selling alcohol to minors to £20,000
* allowing local councils to charge more for late-night licences, which will help pay for additional policing
* banning the sale of alcohol below cost price

If this gets passed then it doesn't matter what we think will make a better and safer GuilFest - the Police or a disgruntled old fart - sorry councillor - will be able to pull the plug on an event. A face book page has been started or you can go and try and complete the on line consultation - which is full of very heavily loaded (against) questions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:29 am    Post subject: Re: Be Afraid - be very afraid Reply with quote
slmvbs wrote:
Rebalancing the Licensing Act - a consultation on empowering individuals, families and local communities to shape and determine local licensing

This consultation asks for your opinions on government plans to overhaul the current licensing regime, in order to give more power to local authorities and police. This will help them deal with alcohol-related crime and disorder, while also promoting responsible business.

The proposals include:

* overhauling the Licensing Act to give local authorities and the police much stronger powers to remove licences from, or refuse to grant licences to premises that are causing problems
* allowing councils and the police to permanently shut down any shop or bar that is repeatedly selling alcohol to children
* doubling the maximum fine for those caught selling alcohol to minors to £20,000
* allowing local councils to charge more for late-night licences, which will help pay for additional policing
* banning the sale of alcohol below cost price

If this gets passed then it doesn't matter what we think will make a better and safer GuilFest - the Police or a disgruntled old fart - sorry councillor - will be able to pull the plug on an event. A face book page has been started or you can go and try and complete the on line consultation - which is full of very heavily loaded (against) questions.



so what kind of deterant do you think will a doubling of the fine from 10k to 20k for those caught selling alcohol to underage kids be? Will that actually make a difference? Isn't this somewhat like having a 5k fine I think it is for using mobile phones in cars? Does it actually get issued? Rarely, if at all and therein does it make any difference? 10k or 20k? I just don't get that one at all! Much as I am in favour of ridding the problems that we are seeing. None of these 'sentences' ever seem to get passed down. Why are there not 1000s more folk banged up in prison for 5 years now for carrying a knife? As that's the maximum penalty? They all get off with a slapped wrist and then just go and do it again. It's all WORDS! No [expletive removed] action!

...who's having the big swinging d**k competition now then? Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
LOL Very Happy Great point re the fines - a waste of time - the real threat lies in the lessening in the burden of proof the Police etc would have to give when opposing an application Crying or Very sad Several festivals have closed this year due to concerns raised by the Police, now at risk of sounding contradictory - given the call for greater security - it should not be left in the hands of a risk averse bunch of control freaks to decide how people sould be entertained. GuilFest needs to demonstrate that it can effectively manage the concerns raised and win back the trust it has lost and its so called family status. Thi proposal by the Tory Democrats may remove that opportunity - so much for local communities taking control Exclamation Who thought this thread was dying on its arse Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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zerocouch wrote:
oddcouple wrote:
On the subject of wrist bands, two we caught had black wristbands on, just plain black, which they told us 'allowed' them entry to the campsite as they weren't checked properly when coming in with a crowd. I did think it a bit strange this year with the black weekend bands, which, as we found, could be quite easily 'made' to allow people in. So not just a case of children getting free wristbands, also the ease of 'bluffing' their way in to the campsite.


The wrist band system was useless. There we're about four different bands alone to allow access to campsites (& that's not including day ticket wristbands).


There were two wristbands that allowed access to the campsite.


Wrong. As i remember...

-black wristband weekend standard
-red VIP wristband
-plus extra crappy purple/mauve/light blue (depending on how much sun or water it had been exposed to) paper wristband
-stewards wristbands
& not including traders wristbands & people with only day ticket wristbands & had VIP bands as well.

Most people with VIP wristbands had no idea they were supposed to have a purple camping wrist band as well or had been neglected to be given one.

Plus the fiasco of not even having any wristbands to give anyone when the campsite first opened (late).

All paper wristbands were easily cut & Sellotaped back onto another persons wrist (I saw this being done many times just outside the arena) whilst fabric wristbands were secured with a bit of plastic that could easily be broken & moved to another persons wristband (again seen being done)... why not a simply a wristband for camping (the same for everyone) & then another extra for VIP! Or why even have VIP at all as I saw no benefits of having this wristband.

This is some really poor organisation that can easily be sorted.


Sorry there were only two wristbands that entitled you to enter the campsite. The black fabric weekend with camping and the purple paper camping wristband.
VIP did not give you campsite access unless you had one of the two I mentioned.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh thats just reminded me! I was gunna moan about the campsite opening up late...

We got there at 10am when the website said it'd be opening, and SURPRISE SURPRISE! The ticketbooth/wristband exchange people had NO CLUE what they where doing. They then said maybe around midday, so we waited 30-40mins with all our stuff in the rain because the Webiste said the campsite would be opening at 10 (We thought also, you'd need a wristband to get in (common sense))

So we then get them (late) and we get to the gate for the campsite and wait ANOTHER 30-40mins in the rain.

What the hell was that about? Why not just say "campsite opens at 12pm"?

GuilFest, you are a great festival, but seriously now... You suffer from some pretty bad organising when it comes to the weekend.
Ok half the problems come from kids, but aren't you the ones giving them the free wristbands anyway, because they live locally?
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